Congrats. Appears fantastic! Thanks. 🙂 If I recall from Patton's biography by Carlo D'Este, Patton and Pershing had been exceedingly close and Pershing ended up being in love with Patton's much younger ...
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- Great job. Looks fantastic!
- Thanks. 🙂
- If I recall from Patton's biography by Carlo D'Este, Patton and Pershing were extremely close and Pershing was in love with Patton's much younger sister. Pershing and Patton had a falling out at some point, can't recall over what though.
- I'm guessing the sister?
- I actually think it was from something else politically but you may be right.
- Dayum! That grass shading!
- Thank you - spent quite a while on it!
- I can't believe Grant isn't ranked a General of the Armies. I would think he would be just as deserving as Washington and Pershing. Great job on the colorization.
- Grant, together with Sherman and Sheridan, we're 'only' ranked General of the Army. The air force wasn't really a thought at the time, the closest would be the balloon corps that operated briefly, so at the time, Congress initiated a rank to rise above the other generals which was awarded to a person not quite the Commander-in-Chief, but still deserving of one of the highest ranks out there. You have to keep the ranks in mind at the time. When Winfield Scott was appointed Major General on July 5th 1841, he was awarded the rank of Major General, 2 stars, then the highest rank at the time. 10 years later, he was awarded a brevet promotion to Lieutenant General, 3 stars, becoming the first person since George Washington to be awarded that rank. You can imagine that Grant, being awarded a 4 star rank only 12 years later, was something big. For a while, he was also the only 3-star general around, so he out ranked everybody but the president anyway. The rank fizzled out of use after the last recipient, Sheridan, died on August 5th 1888, and was never used again in the same fashion. After his death, it wasn't ever really needed again until the Normandy landings - the big logistical nightmare - and to have equality with British Generals, which meant we needed a 5 star rank. Only 5 men have held it since it's inception; Bradley, Marshall, Eisenhower, MacArthur, and Arnold. Arnold was also the first and only person to be ranked General of the Air Force, since this was created after his promotion to General of the Army, and his commission was carried over.
- I understand. Thanks. I'm surprised there hasn't been an extensive effort to have Congress award Grant the rank posthumously though like they did Washington.
- Washington was awarded the rank so he would be the 'most senior commander', something other officers will probably never attain. Pershing's General of the Armies rank wasn't the same rank bestowed upon Washington, it was a 4 star rank equivalent to Grant and Sherman's rank, although the seniority is different. There were issues in '44, when the rank of 5 star general was first given to Marshall. Pershing, still alive, was technically out ranked by a general holding a lower rank - Although Pershing's rank is unique in the sense that it's a peacetime rank and only 4 stars, while Washington holds a 6 star rank, so that he may never be out ranked by any other officer and Marshall and Co. were each awarded 5 star ranks. That's why Grant, and any other officer for that matter, won't receive the same rank as Washington. Sherman, Grant, and Sheridan all received the highest rank they are ever going to receive - even though it was equivalent to a regular 4 star general today.
- Just curious, where would George Marshall fall in this?
- What do you mean?
- He would be the same rank as Bradley, Eisenhower, Grant, and MacArthur but he would rank lower than Pershing or Washington.
- Just in case anyone was wondering they didn't call him black jack. They called him n-gger Jack Bc he led black troops.
- It was originally 'Nigger Jack', but it turned in to 'Black Jack' when he distinguished himself. It was still said with some spite and malice, however.
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